Edwidge Danticat: The Price of Sugar

May 5, 2014

For Kara Walker's first large-scale public project, A Subtlety..., presented by Creative Time at Brooklyn's Domino Sugar Factory, Creative Time Reports features poetry, prose and illustrations related to central themes of Walker's exhibition. Here, novelist Edwidge Danticat explores labor conditions on contemporary sugar plantations in the Dominican Republic.

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Edwidge Danticat price of sugar

A small rural community of sugarcane workers, known as a batey, in the Dominican Republic. People of both Dominican and Haitian descent live in these communities, with Haitian migrants being the majority. Photo by Leah de Vries of the DCCD Group (Dominican–Canadian Community Development Group), 2011.

Midway through Candide, Voltaire’s famously naive protagonist enters Dutch-controlled 18th-century Suriname, where he encounters “a negro stretched upon the ground, with only one moiety of his clothes, that is, of his blue linen drawers; the poor man had lost his left leg and his right hand.”

“Good God!” exclaims Candide, who proceeds to ask the man why he’s in such terrible shape.

“When we work at the sugar-canes,” the man answers, “and the mill snatches hold of a finger, they cut off the hand; and when we attempt to run away, they cut off the leg; both cases have happened to me. This is the price at which you eat sugar in Europe.”

We still eat sugar at a similar price.

And not just in Europe, but all over the world.

A few years ago I narrated a documentary called The Sugar Babies: The Plight of the Children of Agricultural Workers in the Sugar Industry of the Dominican Republic. Produced and directed by Amy Serrano, the film highlights the continued human cost of sugar production and consumption in our hemisphere. We do not have to travel to the distant past to find fingerless, armless or legless people on sugar plantations. There are hundreds of them nearby.

Recruited under false pretenses and sometimes trafficked from Haiti, many of these men and women (and children too) work in Dominican sugarcane villages, or bateyes, in conditions that barely differ from those of their 18th-century forebears. During the zafra, or cane harvest season, they work from sunrise to sunset, seven days a week. Yet they are barely able to pay for the food they eat. Some have their identity papers taken from them and fall into such bottomless debt that it becomes impossible for them to leave. Their children cannot go to school or learn a trade. Given the world’s insatiable appetite for sugar, this brutal cycle might well drag into the next century.

According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the United States imports more than 200,000 tons of sugar from the Dominican Republic each year. This makes the Dominican Republic the United States’ largest sugar partner among those countries—including Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador—that signed the 2004 Dominican Republic–Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA-DR). In September 2013, the U.S. Department of Labor issued a report on conditions in the bateyes that found evidence of “potential violations” of the CAFTA-DR agreement. The report cited child labor, forced labor (especially for those at risk of deportation) and deplorable living conditions, including a lack of sanitation facilities and potable water.

Recently the High Court of the Dominican Republic ruled that only those who have lived in the country since 1929 and have one Dominican parent are entitled to Dominican citizenship. This ruling, by most accounts, would render nearly half a million Dominicans of Haitian descent stateless.

“Alas!” to echo Candide’s sentiment, “the madness of maintaining that everything is right when it is wrong.”

If forced to travel through time, Candide might be heartbroken, but not completely surprised. For after meeting the Surinamese slave, he wept but still continued on his way.

His complicity is also ours.

What would we do in his place?

Would we also just weep and walk away?

Hopefully we would take a closer look at how sugar continues to be produced around the world, both in our own backyard and further out. For a much higher price is being paid for sugar than the few dollars we hand over at the supermarket counter. In some cases that price is everything. That price is life and death.

Read more pieces related to the themes Kara Walker explores in A Subtlety: Tracy K. Smith: “Photo of Sugar Cane Workers, Jamaica, 1891,” Ricardo Cortés: “The Act of Whitening,” Shailja Patel: “Unpour” and Jean-Euphèle Milcé: “To Drink My Sweet Body.”

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  • fellini

    Tell me, Edwige: why are Haitians like you leaving Haiti? Why don’t you write about how bad it is in your own country? Is anybody forcing your nationals to take such awful jobs next door in the DR?

    • GatoUltramarino

      fellini-You’re a bunch of hot air, heh heh.

      • fellini

        Mr Ceara is on CARICOM’s payroll. He’s no laywer but a mediocre economist who got C- in all his classes. Ever since he got into politics he has gone nowhere. He’s just frustrated for being excluded from Government ever since his Papá (Hippolyte Mejía) lost for good in 2004.

        • GatoUltramarino

          fellini-you’re a paid frustrated disinformer for your ultra-corrupt/neoliberal PLD-I personally met Miguel Ceara Hatton, one of the most decent Dominicans alive today, a straight shooter many times on live interviews on TV with Marino Zapete/Edith Febles-You obviously are not currently residing in Dominican Republic, as all the disinformation you spread online, sounds like Orwellian scripts tutored from your imperialist masters, where you obviously have been trained (quite poorly I might add, they are canned scripts heh heh). Ceara Hatton detailed out, piece by piece, the deficit caused by your boss Fernandez, an incredibly meticulous dissertation to the Dominican people. You PLD disinformers sound all the same, it’s all canned highly stylistic speech, but no substance, just the usual stereotyped character assassinations. You guys are a bore online. Stand by for heavy rolls as we warm up for your cutie pie boss Fernandez, we got plenty of “surprises” on the pipeline, we won’t dissappoint you buddy.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            You got plenty of surprises and you claim no to be a PRD bootlicker??? Since he’s an economist how can he provide a legal solution to the Haitians??? The only jounalists who do not listen to reason because they obviously have an agenda are your stalwarts of journalism.

        • GatoUltramarino

          Do you have a link, documented proof, etc., that he’s on CARICOM’s payroll (copies of paychecks, etc?), and you have copies, links etc. of his “C” grades? If not, then STFU!!!

      • GatoUltramarino

        Sister Edwidge (not “Edwige”, like this functional illiterate that can’t spell!), we love you in the Caribbean, and we love your fine expose and writings in favor of our disenfranchised brothers & sisters of Haitian descent in Apartheid Dominican Republic. Keep up those fine blogs sister, we support you 100%.

    • GatoUltramarino

      http://esonosehacerd.blogspot.com/

      Dominican Economist Miguel Ceara Hatton’s Statement to the Inter-American Human Rights Commission December 2013

      ……”In 2013 the Constitutional Tribunal handed down an interpretation in extremis, and made retroactive that constitutional precept, under which it de-nationalizes in practice thousands of descendants of immigrants from 1929 onward.
      The aforementioned demonstrates that, Ruling 168/13 of the Constitutional Tribunal, is the product of a long chain of social and economic exclusions, violations of the juridical system in matters of law, and in general, it is a reflection of a regime of social exclusion under which Dominican society lives, but which has come to the extreme with Dominicans of Haitian descent.”…….

      • Julio A. Jorge

        So you think Mr. Ceara’s statement is the word of God? He’s been part of the campaign executed and financed by international NGO’s regarding Haitians in the DR. How come the Dominican Supreme Court established in 2005 that the children of illegal aliens are not Dominicans and he says it’s a violation of the law? The Constitutional Court also established in 2013 the same principle. Where else would you go to finally establish that these people are not Dominican?

        • GatoUltramarino

          Jorge-another obvious PLD online bootlicker-It looks you guys are making my day (tonight heh heh). ….”campaign executed and financed by international NGO’s”… has been the fascist/right wing party line, blabbed by the likes of Vincho Castillo & all his other Trujilloist acolytes, and similar minions from the ultra-nationalist, Haitian-hating, anti-internationalist bunch in D. R. Look people, wake the hell up! The truth of the matter is that D. R. is more isolated now not only in the region, but in the hemisphere & worldwide as well. Why the hell you people think that Biden curtly excused himself, after returning back to D.C. from Argentina, from visiting Medina? Was it really the Ukraine crisis? HELL NO! He had orders from Washington no to set foot on D. R. while this mess is going on. Martelly recently met with Obama at the White House, has Medina even been invited to visit there? HELL NO! You won’t see Medina or ANY future Dominican president for that matter, invited to the White House, not even to do ad lib busboy duties in the kitchen man! D. R. is now a pariah state & even Leonel Fernandez is worried about it, that’s why he’s going around in circles, like a chicken cut off by the head, trying to figure out how to restore the nationality to these de-nationalized Dominicans. Dominicans mind you, not even Haitians, ’cause they don’t even blab in Kreyol, you stupid people! The utter and blatant stupidity of the right wing, reactionary, ultra-nationalist Dominicans led by Vincho Castillo & his bunch is the same B.S. all over. A loser leading a bunch of losers, which have turned D.R. into an international pariah state for its idiotic ruling 168/13.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Just because your PRD got its ass or butt kicked during the last elections doesn’t mean that everyone who does not agree with you is a member of the PLD. The Presidents from the PLD are generally not welcomed at the White House anyway and the country hasn’t gone down in flames because of it. Do you think the US is the ONLY country in the world and the DR has got to go and get its blessings at the White House?? A pariah state that gets invited to international events and has also hosted them within the last two weeks?? See who sponsors the Open Justice Society, OBMICA and the rest of the NGO’s. Do you know that it’s a proven fact that most fundraising monies are dilapidated on “administrative costs”??? How much of the fundraising effort for Haiti has reached Haiti itself???
            Instead of being so arrogant and thinking that you as Americans have isolated the DR, get real some personality and go down “south” and see if they think of you as an “American”.

          • GatoUltramarino

            First of all Jorge, I’m not EVEN a PRD sympathizer, actually I’m not even Dominican or “American” as you so naively posted. Your bullying and personal attacks will not change the simple fact that YES, the D. R. IS a PARIAH STATE in our Caribbean region, thanks mainly to your idiotic ruling 168/13 (not capitalized on purpose, since that decision which had two articulate dissenting votes from two women judges, is the greatest piece of crap ever concocted in any court, anywhere in the world, regarding basic human rights). Anyway Jorge, the utter stupidity of you neoliberal/neocon fanatics, that have clung like planetary idiots to this ruling 168/13, shows in each and every post. I have followed this subject since its inception, not only in Dominican media (I live in D. R., unlike you who are another mentally colonized Dominican living in the Mainland), but in all sorts of online sources. I attended the “Abrazo Solidario” action back at the UASD in early December, I ustreamed what I could of the event live to our colleagues in Canada/U.S.A, I personally met Ana Maria Belique a decent human being affected by this crappy decision, I also personally met Ceara Hatton and courteously asked him if I could translate his statement in Spanish to the Inter-American Human Rights Commission, which he very amicably agreed to. Ceara Hatton is one of the most articulate and media savvy economists here in Dominican Republic, as I have seen him interviewed live with the likes of such Dominican stalwarts of real journalism like Marino Zapete & Edith Febles. In short, yes the D.R. IS a de facto PARIAH STATE in our Caribbean region, a shameful disgrace to our multi-racial Caribbean community, and the fanatical frenzy whipped by these neocon fanatics which support the Apartheid ruling 168-13, isn’t helping one bit my dear friends, D.R. is a multi-racial,mulatto country, unlike Puerto Rico or Cuba which both have considerable segments of their population composed of Caucasian peoples descended from the Iberian peninsula. Even then, we Caribbean peoples, whether white, black, brown, etc., etc., we definitely support our Dominican brothers & sisters of Haitian ancestry, in spite of the uneven battle they face under these Apartheid/fascist, fanatical Dominicans which cowardly hide behind their unrestrained anti-Haitianism and then support crappy, bullshit ruling 168-13.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Your complaining about personal attacks and you start out your first comment by calling your opponent dumb??? Geez talk about bipolar disorder!!!

            If you live in the DR and are not American or Dominican I take it you must be Haitian. This shouldn’t affect the outcome of a debate but obviously you have a one sided opinion on what the debate should be. Do you have any legal knowledge on the facts regarding the Constitutional Court ruling??? Did you know the country’s Supreme Court established the same legal precedent in 2005 and that court was not the result of Leonel Fernandez??? If you live in the DR you’d know that all of these Haitians who got Dominican paperwork live around the same area and therefore come from mostly the same Civil Registrar offices??? Since you live in the DR what do you think of Mr. William Medina Ferreiras??? What about his children that were registered in the DR??? Did you know Mr. Ceara has mostly worked with international organizations who not necessarily have the best interest of the DR on their mind??? Besides the human argument he presents have you seen him propose anything legally??? Do you think the legal opinion of 2 judges outweigh the opinion of the other 11 judges??? Where in the world have you seen the opinion of the minority of a Constitutional Court become the main legal doctrine of a country???? Since this is basically a legal matter, when you can come back with serious legal arguments let me know and I’ll be glad to discuss it with you. In the meantime that is the law and will continue to be the law of the land.

            Regarding your statement about a Pariah state, if you live in the DR you’d know the president came last night from Costa Rica. 2 weeks ago he was at another international event. You’d also know the country hosted a week ago the “VI Cumbre del Caribe” which is a summit composed of CARIBBEAN STATES. So I don’t know where your getting your info but if I were you I would not talk about being lost in the forest or living on this earth.

            Para su informacion vivo en Cuesta Hermosa III, en Santo Domingo.

          • GatoUltramarino

            If I got “bipolar disorder” then you must be afflicted with “onion skin”, an innocuous word like “dumb”, shouldn’t hurt fascist/neoliberal/racist PLD “come solos” like your ilk. I take it now you’re definitely a card-carrying PLD “come solo”, judging by the voluminous circumference of your abdomen (‘sorry if I insulted you, as I see you’re kind of onion skinned heh heh). As to your domicile, I personally could give a hoot, but it sounds to me like perhaps one of those “uppity” neighborhoods in the Capital, and definitely not one of the “barrios populares”, like “La Barquita” close to the Ozama river. In other words, your profile sounds like a typical bourgeois PLD fat cat, who could care less about our Dominican brothers & sisters, living in squalor in “bateyes” with their kids, like Juliana Deguis & others. You’re a typically calloused, fascist/racist PLD-”come solo” Dominican, and yes, your version of D.R. is ISOLATED in the region, whether you want to believe it OR NOT!

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Dumb is a degoratory word anyway you want to phrase it. I see you have no arguments in response to what you claim is the spreading of lies. Soooo if you want to go into insults besides being a PRD bootlicker I would venture that any man who has a picture of his cat as an identifying trademark must be a godammed faggot or a godammed lesbian. You should take up your frustrations with a psychiatrist and deal with them. Otherwise go to puente Juan Pablo Duarte and jump from it.

            I’ve never been a member of any political party nor have I worked in the government or sell anything to it. Sooooo you should stop trying to think (again wishful thinking) that people who are opposed to Haitian loving suckers is a PLD member.

            Come back with some real arguments and we’ll discuss it otherwise stop pretending to be a voice of reason when you have no arguments whatsoever that would support your position.

          • GatoUltramarino

            OooooooooH! HAH HAH HAH!!! What’s the matter dear ole’ Julio? Are you all of a sudden losing your grip? HAH HAH HAH! It’s my own business what my avatar looks like! If it doesn’t happen to fall within the parameters of your bully-boy remarks, then that’s TOUGH TEETIE! Did I rub you the wrong way, because I made that oblique remark about the “circumference of your abdomen”???? HAH HAH HAH! Don’t take it personal Julio! Do some sit-ups, believe me it won’t kill you! HAH HAH HAH! As to your outwardly xenophobic remark about “Haitian loving suckers”, I tell you what buddy, I’ll TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT!!! That’s right dear ole Julio-A COMPLIMENT! Yes, I do happen to LOVE our Haitian brothers and sisters living in Dominican Republic! So what are you going to do about it??? And guess what? There’s PLENTY MORE of “Haitian loving suckers” in D.R., not only foreigners like me, but DOMINICANS! And believe me plenty of them, let me mention just a few, just to pour some salt on your wound: Marino Zapete, Edith Febles, Juan Bolivar Diaz, Max Puig, Miguel Ceara Hatton, Luis Abinader, to name just a few prominent figures. GUESS WHAT dear ole’ Julio-I met some of these folks in person on December 5th at the UASD hall, where we held the beautiful solidarity action called “ABRAZOS SOLIDARIOS”. It was beautiful man, you should’ve been there. THE PLACE WAS PACKED TO THE HILT, IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY, A GOOD PART OF THE ACTIVITY!!!. It was so NICE, not to hear fascistic, fanatical, racist, perverse thoughts, like those you and your ilk constantly post online, and blurt out in brainwashed Dominican media. Instead, we had plenty of “abrazos” there, plenty of love, and plenty of humanity. That’s what I look forward to in this life man, and yes, lots of LOVE to my fellow Haitian brothers and sisters. And yes, I will continue to stand in support and solidarity of our Dominican brothers and sisters of Haitian descent, that have been DE-NATIONALIZED!!!. If you don’t like what I post, guess what? You don’t HAVE TO READ THEM!! HAH HAH HAH! I will continue to post links here, and anywhere else I feel like, where the truth must come out! If you don’t like my postings, or my opinions about your KANGAROO COURT (alias the D.R.’s so-called constitutional tribunal, set up in 2010 by Leonel Fernandez, as I already posted!!!), led by the way (excuse me my Dominican brothers and sisters), not by a Caucasian person, but by mulatto Milton Ray Guevara, who twisted jurisprudence in such a perverse way, as to come up with this “tollo” of a decision otherwise known as ruling 168-13, the most disgraceful, and XENOPHOBIC, APARTHEID-like ruling, we have ever seen rise its ugly head, anywhere in our beautiful Caribbean region. So smoke that in your pipe Julio, like it or lump it! AND YOU CAN CALL ME ALL THE NAMES YOU WANT!!! HAH HAH, that will not deter me to continue posting links here, and anywhere else I SEE FIT!!! HAH HAH HAH. Have a good one dear ole’, “VOLUMINOUS ABDOMEN CIRCUMFERENTIAL” Julio HAH HAH HAH!!!

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Usually europeans, especially Italians, like well equipped as dark as they come Haitians. But besides ripping you a new one you’re still a sucker. See if you can get behind.

            How many suckers can fit in an auditorium? Out of the 2 million that live in the city how many went to the Haitian protest outside the National Palace 2 days ago? By the looks of the pictures I don’t think there were more than 25. SOOOOOO you may whine all you want but the fact is that all Haitian loving suckers are the extreme minority but makes a lot of noise.

            You can whine all you want about how inhumane the kangaroo court may be but you have not provided a single legal argument regarding what basically is a legal matter. SOOOOOO you may continue to try to distract from what is the basis of this discussion but the fact still remains that they’re Haitians, will continue to be Haitians and you’re still a fag MMG.

          • GatoUltramarino

            Julio baby-ever since I called attention to the voluminous circumference of your abdominal area, you have been ranting and raving HAH HAH HAH! Why don’t you do some sit ups man? HAH HAH HAH-You want some sophisticated rebuttal to your B.S. arguments about Apartheid ruling 168-13? Smoke this in your pipe dear ole Julio, the paper that 168-13 is written on, is barely worth for recycled toilet paper, just like we can get real cheap here in D.R. HAH HAH HAH, that RIGHT! Take your B.S. Apartheid ruling 168-13, jurisprudence that belongs in a “letrina” HAH HAH, from a so called constitutional tribunal formed back in 2010 during the reign of corrupt Fernandez Reyna HAH HAH, what a joke. In the entire Caribbean basin, there’s never been a worse joke than B.S. ruling 168-13, which I use daily as recycled TOILET PAPER HAH HAH HAH!!!

          • GatoUltramarino

            And to be quite frank with you Julio-it’s a matter of opinion of whether or not I am a “voice of reason”. That’s the beautiful part of the internet! Again, don’t let your liver explode just because you cling to your pretextually xenophobic, psychotically anti-Haitian stance, on your pukey ruling 168-13, that by the way is not worth the paper it’s written on! That’s right! You know exactly what you can do with your Apartheid-like ruling 168-13,you and your ilk. My argument is this if you want a “voice of reason”, use your ruling 168-13 for TOILET PAPER, for all I give a hoot, because that’s what exactly that idiotic ruling is GOOD FOR. That’s my “voice of reason” for today! HAH HAH HAH!!!

          • GatoUltramarino

            Try to cool your head and read my posts a bit better-What I was trying say was that your ultra-corrupt “come solo” president Fernandez, was responsible for this kangaroo court >>>>>http://www.tribunalconstitucional.gob.do/sobre-el-tc ……”El Tribunal Constitucional de la República Dominicana fue creado por la Constitución de fecha 26 de enero de 2010.”….Now answer me something, you all-knowing PLD “come solo”, wasn’t Fernandez president in 2010?

          • GatoUltramarino

            You’re so dumb you really can’t tell a real American, from a Latin American, by reading between the lines of the corresponding posts. You’re so lost you can’t see the wood for the trees!

        • GatoUltramarino

          Jorge-everybody in his right mind in D.R. know the truth about this B.S. so-called constitutional tribunal, which was installed by your tin hero, mentally colonized/neoliberal/neocon Leonel Fernandez Reyna (only mentally colonized people like Fernandez utter such stupidities as “el New York chiquito”). Fernandez installed the current electoral board (JCE), the electoral tribunal (TSE) & last but not least this B.S. so-called constitutional tribunal, patterned obviously after the one in Spain which has also ruled against historic memory, and in favor of the fascist genocides of Franco during the Spanish Civil War. In other words, the politician most responsible for the legal and human rights debacle, that B.S. ruling 168-13 has created for D.R., isolating it in our region and the world, is none other than Leonel Fernandez, the greatest hoax perpetrated to the so-called institutionally weakened “democracy” in D.R., a “democracy” responsible for extra-judicial assassinations of peaceful demonstrators, who demonstrate for legitimate grievances like water supply, electricity, etc., in their neighborhoods, in D.R., a disgrace in our Caribbean region, and now a further disgraced and dishonored country thanks to an Apartheid-like ruling and regime.

  • fellini

    So much talk about statelessness and racism. Tell me, Edwige: why don’t you write about Haiti’s own constitutional history denying all citizenship rights to non-blacks, of withdrawing citizenship upon six months of leaving Haiti or after adopting any other citizenship? Wasn’t this latter case your own? We at the DR are FED UP with your resentment. If you are so pained with the horrors of 1937, why is it that you or your fellow travellers don’t write anything about the atrocities committed a few decades later by your own dictators against your own people? Or is it that you don’t know that Duvalier killed over 30 thousand Haitians and expelled even more?

    • MKerby

      “Papa Doc” is gone, but problems remain. Who will stand to fight injustice today wherever it resides?

  • fellini

    Let me take issue with the picture above. It is indeed a ruin… but in an abandoned batey. State sugar mills were closed more than a decade ago. Many workers refused to leave. So what can anybody do about that? A Pulitzer-prize winner like you shouldn’t engage in this kind of misinformation. Why don’t you post pictures of a batey in a working sugar mill? Maybe because they will look much better than your typical slum in any of Haiti’s “cities”, none of which have running water. No wonder it took a few Nepalese soldiers from MINUSTAH to spread a cholera epidemic in a few days!

  • Tiredandfrustrated

    The problem is exactly what you are doing. You feelings can resemble Nazi Germans trying to lighten the fact that they did the same as the DR. They too killed numerous people, should we not shed light on that just because it happened so long? People still feel that pain. Are we to show new detainment camps to make it better? Why don’t you want to address the government not allowing citizenship to people born in the DR just because they were born to Haitian parents who may not have had the opportunity to because citizens of their neighboring country, and you are very misinformed about your facts. Haiti allows dual citizenship, unlike the DR and…instead of trying to bandage up the blatant racism that the DR expresses for Haiti and it’s people, imagine where the DR would be without those strong, hard-working people that came from those so called “slums.” If you’re so fed up about hearing it, do something to change it so no one has to speak about it.

    • fellini

      So much BS… The DR allows for dual citizenship since 1994. Get your facts straight!

  • GatoUltramarino

    http://fernandezandalkhalifa.blogspot.com/ ……..”To add to the unending parade of calamities that one sees daily in Dominican media, this country is becoming increasingly isolated in the region, as result of a recent Apartheid-like ruling by its so-called constitutional tribunal-(this apparently lofty term we think is a tad too kind for this shameful judicial instrumentality in D. R., with all due respect “Xenophobic Kangaroo Court” could be a more apt term for it). This so-called tribunal ruled that Dominicans of Haitian descent, but actually born in Dominican territory, were de facto and de jure de-nationalized persons, condemned therefore to live in a sort of legal limbo status, stripped of most if not all of their basic human rights, such as education, travel, civil marriage, voting rights, etc., etc. It is openly known by the way, that the political figure most responsible for the creation of Dominican Republic’s so-called constitutional tribunal, happens to be our “Archduke of the Caribbean”, during one of his recent presidential terms. We must add here, the eerily similar practice of the current regime of Bahrain, to strip some its citizens born in its territory from their nationality, for arbitrary and capricious political reasons. So I guess our two main characters, in this rather surreal encounter of seemingly dissimilar potentates from distant latitudes, might have something in common after all; the systematic violation of human rights under the Orwellian veneer of so-called royalty, and/or academic luminescence and populist pomposity, shared in turns by the two protagonists of this political charade, both of which we might add are graced with the imperial mentorship of our all powerful and dear Uncle Sam, who in turn just adores to have such grotesque pupils scattered throughout the globe, in order to promote its distorted version of “human rights and freedom”. ……………..

    • Julio A. Jorge

      You should include in the Kangaroo Court the US Government which deports to Haiti the children of illegal aliens born in the Bahamas, after having migrated to the US and committed a criminal offense. Those deported do not speak creole, have never set foot in Haiti and either don’t have family there or don’t know anyone there.

      • fellini

        As well as all the other CARICOM countries, which deport Haitians on the spot, while “defending” them “against” the DR. Blimey! It is in the DR where they actually work! Not in Haiti (over 70% unemployment), not in tiny St Vincent & the Grenadines (population: 180 thousand) nor anywhere else. There has never been automatic jus soli for any migrants into the DR. NEVER! At least one parent must be a legal resident. Most Haitians in the DR lack documents, Why? Because of DR discrimination? Or because they come from the one failed state of the Americas, where its own government has not issued any kind of documents to 5 million of its own inhabitants!

        • MKerby

          Some have their IDs confiscated, when they are duped to leave Haiti for the promise of a decent job and wages, only to be treated like slaves, upon arrival. They can’t leave, cuz the law says you must have papers or risk imprisonment, not deportation to their homeland! That is how slavery continues to this day.
          Legal place to fight from would be: how can I have no citizens rights but you force me to stay?
          A great spirit’s call still holds true today..”Let my people GO!” Haitians would do well to demand it, then, act upon it! Its at least as bad as 200 Nigerian school girls getting kidnapped. Its been going on like this in Haiti, D.R. for at least a century, and I bet you someone got kidnapped last night to work in the canefields and woke up a slave!
          Where are the US sanctions and hue and cry regarding this miscarriage of human rights. Big money always turns a blind eye and their back on people.
          I refuse to buy Domino Sugar for this reason, because they are one of many doing this crap.Send a message. Vote with your billfold. Dont let them have any folded bills..or rolls of em.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Do you have any idea what the reality is in the DR and Haiti?? Don’t you know all these illegal aliens have their own places in the city like “Little Haiti” in the capital of the country and nobody bothers them?? Don’t you know that probably 95% of those living in little Haiti haven’t got any kind of legal documents to reside in the DR?? Don’t you know that outside of Haiti the only country in the world that has a PUBLIC school that teaches in creole (hatian dialect) is in the DR and is funded by Dominican taxpayers??? Don’t you know that a quarter (25%) of the Dominican public health budget goes towards taking care of Haitian nationals and around 90% of patients are Haitians around the Dominican-Haitian border??? Don’t you know that 90% of deportees once deported turn around and most of the time successfully come back across the border since it is extremely porous??

            These are deported to Haiti by the US after being born from illegal aliens in the Bahamas, then immigrated illegally to the US and once they’ve committed a criminal offense are deported back to Haiti, without having any knowledge of Creole, not having set foot in Haiti ever, and not knowing any family there. http://www.namnewsnetwork.org/v3/read.php?id=MjM5MzQ4

          • GatoUltramarino

            Right on bro.!

        • GatoUltramarino

          BLAH BLAH BLAH!

      • GatoUltramarino

        And you’re another Mainland resident Dominican, totally disengaged from the utter reality that D. R. is now the most politically isolated and alienated country of our multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-lingual Caribbean nations. At the recent UN human rights meetings in Geneva, D.R. was chastised by over ten (10 mind you), nations, including several Latin American nations, for its idiotic, upside down world, Apartheid-like ruling 168/13. The congressional Black caucus, also recently sent a “love letter” to President Medina, calling him on the carpet for the exclusion caused by the de-nationalization of Dominicans of Haitian descent. The list is interminable on a planetary scale, I wish I had the time (or energy), to post it here, of the worldwide opposition to the utter stupidity of ruling 168/13 by the D.R.’s so-called constitutional tribunal, led incredibly by the way by a mulatto judge!!!. There was a seminar at a Texas university recently, in solidarity of de-nationalized Dominicans, also recently, at the Puerto Rico Bar Association’s (Colegio de Abogados), there was another seminar to educate the public, on the injustices and human rights violations caused by ruling 168/13. These are just off the top of my head, not even “googled” out. If I “googled” this subject, I probably would need days on end, to post here, the many international meetings, seminars, actions, demonstrations, etc., etc., etc. that have taken place, in solidarity of these human beings living in the squalor of “bateyes” in D. R. like Juliana Deguis & her kids, and so many others that can’t have their legal papers, even though they were born HERE in D.R., not in Cap Haitien or Gonaives mind you. This is a dark stain on the honor of any decent, civilized nation, similar to the Nazi-like injustices of Apartheid, before its dismantling in South Africa. No matter how much disinformation, lies, half-truths, and various and sundry utter stupidities are posted online, the bare truth is this: Dominican Republic, is ISOLATED! That’s exactly right! Isolated, not only in the Caribbean region, but in the hemisphere and the world for this blatant violation of the most basic human rights, caused by this “tollo” (big fu—ng mess in idiomatic Dominican street corner lingo!). And this, in a country chock full of poverty, hunger,illiteracy and wholesale injustices like D. R., with daily protests & the national police killing young Dominicans that protest simply for basics like electricity, water, etc., etc. In short, ruling 168/13 is the biggest f—-ng mess Dominican Republic has gotten itself into politically, since we don’t know when, down here in the Caribbean, the Imperial Frontier.

        • Julio A. Jorge

          Why is it that you think the DR is isolated?? Do you live on this planet??? Who has isolated the DR??? The “recent” meeting in Geneva was how many MONTHS ago???? What was the result of that meeting??? Any sanctions imposed??? Any measures taken at all???? The President in the last week has been to 2 foreign engagements and the DR has hosted international events for most of the Latin American countries within the past 2 weeks. If what you’re saying were true how com the country continues to be engaged in the international community????
          Wake up and smell the coffee. The DR is a pariah state only in the minds of the Haitian loving NGO’s and the Robert Kennedy Center.

        • Julio A. Jorge

          All the seminars, meetings, demonstrations are being carried out by private organizations or individuals. This is a matter of International Law where the only parties accepted to the discussion are International Public Organizations like the UN or states which are internationally recognized. NGO’s are only pressure groups which do not have any legal standing in International Public Law.

          • GatoUltramarino

            Is that a fact? For your information you misguided fellow, (as I already have posted, but you seem blind), at the recent human rights sessions at Geneva, by the UN, over ten countries’s delegations (I think the number was 12-14), stated their official opposition to the Apartheid ruling 168-13, by the fascist so-called constitutional tribunal headed by all people, by a mulatto judge installed there as a puppet, by none other than Leonel Fernandez, the biggest hoax of “democracy” in the Caribbean. Besides, the Congressional Black Caucus of the United States, sent a personal letter to President Medina manifesting their concern, for the de-nationalization of Dominicans of Haitian descent. No matter how much disinformation is posted online, by ultra-nationalist Dominicans, the fact is quite clear. The Dominican Republic is under international siege, for its idiotic ruling 168-13. Both public and private entities have manifested their displeasure, with this xenophobic ruling, which is nothing else than upside down jurisprudence (a “tollo” in plain language Dominican), based on the disparate treatment of one select group of Dominicans, whose only sin was that their parents were Haitians. Dominican Republic thus qualifies, as the unquestioned pariah state of our multi-racial Caribbean region, a disgrace to our multi-cultural region, and ostracized in each and every corner of the civilized world, where decent people are. Only within D.R.’s ultra-conservative, fascist, Trujilloist sectors, is this neo-Malthusian ideology of Nazi-like Apartheid still maintained, in this 21st Century where multi-culturalism is a reality of life.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            So you say. The UN meeting was done months ago. Did you know there are 195 countries in the world??? Do you think a couple of NGO’s constitute the international community?? As I said before the country hosted 1 WEEK ago the VI Cumbre del Caribe which is the summit of CARIBBEAN NATIONS. You continue to say the country is isolated just because you say so. You should back it up with facts!!!

          • GatoUltramarino

            You know better than anybody else, that yes, D.R. is isolated & alienated in our Caribbean region. You are so damn misinformed, but it was your President Medina, who sometimes back was almost crying, to have .D.R become part of CARICOM. Then all of a sudden what happened after the Apartheid ruling 168-13 came down? CARICOM suddenly froze D.R.’s petition for membership!!! Then on February there was the CELAC Summit of 33 nations in Havana. President Medina acted stupid, instead of being statesman-like & played into the neocons’ lap dog role trying to get their votes/sympathies, and virtually insulted P. M. Gonsalves of St. Vincent-Grenadines, one of the stupidest things by a head of state, I have seen done in any regional/hemispheric meetings in quite a while. President Medina was so absent minded, claiming that D.R. had never been condemned for violations on human rights, this was an outright lie!!! It is open knowledge that the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (or the Court, but one of these two instrumentalities) had ruled recently, I think back in 2007, in the case of a couple of Dominican young women of Haitian descent, who had been stripped of their national identity papers, by the JCE (junta central electoral/the D.R.’s central electoral board). BESIDES, the D.R. was chastised by the same Inter-American judicial body, of the case of a group of Haitians assassinated by D.R.’s security forces, close to the border, I believe in Montecristi Province, some years ago, in violation of human rights. I understand the D.R. has been denounced officially, about three times (3 mind you), by these international judicial human rights bodies, on matters relating to egregious violations of human rights. Yes indeed, you neocon/neoliberal/fascist/racist Dominicans, might stick your fanatical heads inside the ground like an ostrich, and try to disinform online, as to the current political status of the D.R. within our Caribbean region. The truth is that if this is prolonged, I wouldn’t be surprised that tourism begins to suffer in D.R., due to probable organized boycotts (some have already been started in the U.S.), all for this absolutely stupid, Apartheid-like ruling 168-13, again, and I mean no offense to my Dominican brothers & sisters, but it is so shameful that the constitutional tribunal is headed by a mulatto Dominican, who is a puppet of Leonel Fernandez, who took his orders from him, to come down with this idiotic ruling, which has caused a big mess in D.R. (A “tollo” in streetcorner Dominican idiomatic language).

          • Julio A. Jorge

            You continue to cry that the DR is isolated but do not back it up with facts. You talk about your opponents spreading lies but your statements are not consistent with the truth.

            The membership application to CARICOM dates back to 1975, 2 years after it was established. In theory CARICOM is a single market and goods from member states do not pay customs within the block. CARICOM nations do not want DR to become a member since the DR applied to become a member almost 40 YEARS ago. They fear our economy will overwhelm theirs. Haiti’s membership application was added to the DR’s application by DOMINICAN DIPLOMATS and Haiti became a member in 2002 and still our membership was put on hold. In 2008 in order to be part of the association with the European Union CARIFORUM was established and the DR is part of that and not of CARICOM. Even the Europeans do not understand how the DR could be part of CARIFORUM and not of CARICOM. SOOOOO AGAIN BASE YOUR COMMENTS ON FACTS AND NOT WISHFUL THINKING.

            The case you mention is not of 2 young haitian women but 2 haitian children. This was the case of Yean and Bosico. In that case being a third world country, no attention was paid to the case and the DR representation was extremely poor. This is one of the first cases sponsored by international NGOs. After that ruling in 2005 the DR’s Supreme Court ruled that THE CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE NOT DOMINICANS. The same NGOs have tried to use the same tactic and the country has learned to deal with this new attacks. Enmblematic of this new policy was one of the case brought before the ICHR last year decrying the same policy of sending Dominicans to Haiti because of their skin color. It turns out their witness (William Ferreiras Medina) could not even speak spanish as a Dominican. Once confronted with the sworn statements from all members of the Ferreiras Medina family that he was not a member of that family, with a video of them explaining he was not a member and with the written evidence of how he paid of a bribe to the Civil Registrar officer to have him issue a birth certificate as a brother without their knowledge, then the court proceedings were abruptly adjourned without ruling in the DR’s favor. This goes to show you how much independence this court has.

            Mr. Gonsalves at the CELAC summit in Cuba accused the DR of discrimination towards the Haitians. The summit took place the 28th and 29th of January. This is what Mr. Gonsalves country does with the Haitian inmigrants on the 24th of January, just 4 days before the summit: http://thevincentian.com/haitians-deported-but-could-return-p4703-93.htm SOOOOOO AGAIN YOU SHOULD BASE YOUR COMMENTS ON FACTS AND NOT WISHFUL THINKING.

            Dominican tourism from the US is on the rise. European tourism has remained at the same level for the last couple of years and is the reason why the country’s tourism ministry has made efforts to bring even russian tourists!!!! SOOOOOO AGAIN YOU SHOULD BASE YOUR COMMENTS ON FACTS AND NOT WISHFUL THINKING.

            Now if you want to find out the real hypocresy towards the DR in this matter you should take a look at what the US does with Haitians born in the Bahamas who only speak english, have never set foot in Haiti and either don’t know or have any family members in Haiti. http://www.namnewsnetwork.org/v3/read.php?id=MjM5MzQ4

            You should also take note of the arguments given by M. Reginald Delva (a minister in Mr. Martelly’s government) in order to deny citizenship to their own nationals after deportation from the US.

          • GatoUltramarino

            Marino Zapete, one of the most responsible journalists in Dominican Republic, played the video more than once, of President Medina (remember he came to power in 2012), wherein Medina made an passionate public plea before CARICOM for membership-That application as we know is still FROZEN, due to the Apartheid ruling 168-13. The D. R. is INDEED ISOLATED in the region, accept that as FACT!! I won’t bother posting again about the denunciations in Geneva RECENTLY, by the UN human rights conference, wherein more than one Latin American country denounced ruling 168-13. Here’s some more FACTS on a pending march against Apartheid in Dominican Republic >>> https://www.facebook.com/events/318612128288372/?source=1 …..at least one U.S. congressman and one congresswoman will be present, also Dany Glover and whole bunch of local and Florida area politicians. Now try convince me and other reasonable folks, that this is not a telltale sign of D.R.’s ISOLATION!!! You split hairs about the IACHR case which denounced the D.R., but I ask myself, is Marino Zapete going to risk his highly reputable journalistic fame in D.R., by quoting a case that didn’t hold water? Zapete quoted these cases, PLUS, the assassination of those Haitians in Monte Cristi, riding a truck, some years back. You want to hear about HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS IN D.R.?? Smoke this in your pipe. When I arrived here back in 2010, I COULDN’T believe what Marino Zapete said on TV, about the 200 some extra-judicial assassinations in recent years to protesters associated with “popular movements”, for no other crime than protesting for basic services like education, electricity, water, etc. I know this subject well, as I PERSONALLY USTREAMED ON OCTOBER 23, 2013, the WAKES OF TWO VICTIMS OF DOMINICAN NATIONAL POLICE, AT LOS CIRUELITOS NEIGHBORHOOD IN SANTIAGO!!! That’s right, I’m not another troll or cyberactivist, that uses a keyboard, I have personally talked with Dominican popular movements leaders, which have given me many names of young men ASSASSINATED BY DOMINICAN NATIONAL POLICE, IN EXTRA-JUDICIAL KILLINGS!! if you’re a paid government troll, then you yourself should know, that during Leonel Fernandez’s last term, he had the infamous Guzman Fermin, as head of national police, and these extra-judicial killings occurred during that period. Excuse me for getting off subject, but obviously you ARE a PAID GOVERNMENT TROLL, disinforming, and spreading propaganda, trying to defend that position that DOMINICAN REPUBLIC IS NOT ISOLATED IN THE REGION, which is a spurious argument at this juncture. If you have a case against CARICOM/Gonsalves, your government should take it with him then. The truth is that Gonsalves has more dignity and honesty and decency, than Medina would in our Caribbean at any time. I have seen Gonsalves speak at the ALBA meetings, an organization to which the neocolonial/neoliberal/pro-imperialist Dominican government, couldn’t even begin to dream to belong to, because D.R. is after all, another lab for neoliberalism in the region. But the last straw for D.R. has been STUPID RULING 168-13, and that is one reason for the March 16, massive rally in South Florida. Go and troll me with your PAID GOVERNMENT TROLLING, because obviously you couldn’t be just another private citizen, but you are definitely one of these Dominican fascist/racist/apologists of ruling 168-13. Continue to troll if you wish, as you continue to make my day anyway. In short,, you ARE isolated in the Caribbean region, you are now in Puerto Rico for a fact, and in the U.S. as well, we won’t mention our sister nation of Haiti of course. YES INDEED, OUR SISTER NATION OF HAITI, THE SAME NATION YOU RIGHT WING DOMINICANS HATE SO MUCH!!! Well guess what? I am a Caribbean INTERNATIONALIST, and I could give a hoot what you think about Haiti, cause I defend it teeth and nails, and I don’t get paid a dime, unlike you who are OBVIOUSLY A PAID FASCIST DOMINICAN GOVERNMENT TROLL!!!

  • GatoUltramarino

    You right wing, fascist, Apartheid-loving Dominicans make my day on these posts. Frankly, I hadn’t dealt with utter stupidity, until I just bumped into these posts the other day. It makes my day to read utter stupidity, being posted online, as though we lived in a world of ignorance and Orwellian virtual realities. Keep up these utterly stupid posts people, ’cause you are absolutely MAKING MY DAY!!! HAH HAH HAH!!!

  • GatoUltramarino

    http://fernandezandalkhalifa.blogspot.com/

    The Archduke of the Caribbean & the King Of Bahrain
    “To add to the unending parade of calamities that one sees daily in Dominican media, this country is becoming increasingly isolated in the region, as result of a recent Apartheid-like ruling by its so-called constitutional tribunal-(this apparently lofty term we think is a tad too kind for this shameful judicial instrumentality in D. R., with all due respect “Xenophobic Kangaroo Court” could be a more apt term for it). This so-called tribunal ruled that Dominicans of Haitian descent, but actually born in Dominican territory, were de facto and de jure de-nationalized persons, condemned therefore to live in a sort of legal limbo status, stripped of most if not all of their basic human rights, such as education, travel, civil marriage, voting rights, etc., etc. It is openly known by the way, that the political figure most responsible for the creation of Dominican Republic’s so-called constitutional tribunal, happens to be our “Archduke of the Caribbean”, during one of his recent presidential terms. We must add here, the eerily similar practice of the current regime of Bahrain, to strip some its citizens born in its territory from their nationality, for arbitrary and capricious political reasons. So I guess our two main characters, in this rather surreal encounter of seemingly dissimilar potentates from distant latitudes, might have something in common after all; the systematic violation of human rights under the Orwellian veneer of so-called royalty, and/or academic luminescence and populist pomposity, shared in turns by the two protagonists of this political charade, both of which we might add are graced with the imperial mentorship of our all powerful and dear Uncle Sam, who in turn just adores to have such grotesque pupils scattered throughout the globe, in order to promote its distorted version of “human rights and freedom”.

    • Julio A. Jorge

      Like I’ve said before: just because he kicked your PRD bootlicker ass in the last elections it doesn’t mean he’s the “Archduke of the Caribbean”

  • GatoUltramarino

    http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/3/25/50958/Human-Rights-Commission-flusters-Dominican-Republic …..”Human Rights Commission flusters Dominican Republic”…….

    • Julio A. Jorge

      Same commission that brought a Haitian with fake ID papers and still did not give the reason and win to the DR.

      • GatoUltramarino

        Can I ask you a personal question Julio? What is it with some of you Dominicans that hate Haitians so much? This I find it incredible! Wasn’t Trujillo’s maternal grandmother (Chevalier) from Haiti? Aren’t there plenty francophone surnames running around in D.R.? Many of them of Haitian ancestry I surmise. Isn’t there a saying in Dominican street talk,….”el dominicano tiene el negro detras de la oreja”…..or what about “y tu abuela donde esta”? If I had African ancestry in my lineage, that wouldn’t bother me one bit. Pieter Botha himself I think once said, that it was impossible for the Boers not to think there might’ve been some African bloodline in their ancestry, after hundres of years in Africa, Pieter Botha of all people!!! Even those of us that even appear Celtic-Iberian but have been born in the Caribbean, we can’t even claim to be pure blood Caucasians. I find it such a worthless, time-consuming argument to simple hate Haitians, for no other reason than inbred hatred. By the way, our Dominican brothers and sisters that have been born on this side of the border, are definitely Dominicans, even though your 2010-installed, Johnny-come-lately constitutional so-called court, headed by Milton Ray Guevara, a Mulatto of all things, ruled on that upside down stone age jurisprudence of ruling 168-13. BTW, you’re cordially invited to the March/Rally May 16th at 11 am in Miami. Did you hear? The first time, yes FIRST TIME-there will be a public call for a boycott of tourism/investments in D.R. Oh yeah, I know you’ll probably say it won’t work, just like they said the same thing about Apartheid in its latter days in South Africa, before it was finally dismantled. Hear ye, hear ye, Danny Glover, Beyonce, Al Sharpton, Miami’s mayor I believe, & other politicians, a U.S. congressman and congresswoman attending. If I were President Medina, I’d start sweating the load on this one-Miami happens to be the number one cruise ship port in the world. Imagine a boycott? Is it really worth it? All this jingoistic hoopla about “sovereignty” and the like B.S.? Just keep that under your hat, dear Julio-the clock is ticking between now and 11 am May 16th in Miami-American mainstream media will be there, and of course, plenty other surprises, HAH HAH HAH!!!

        • Julio A. Jorge

          The country’s Supreme Court established the same ruling in 2005. This was almost 10 YEARS AGO. The problem here is not about hating Haitians but of not being suck’er punch for trying to be politically correct. The fact is that they’re not Dominicans and they want to be Dominicans no matter what. What’s so bad about Haiti that they don’t want to be their citizens?? If they’re exploited so badly in the DR why do they continue to come?? At the end of their contract they were supposed to return to Haiti, why didn’t they???? Could it be the fact that eventhough their living conditions were bad, they were living in places that would be like the upper east side of Manhattan when compared to what they would live in Haiti??? Legally they’re not Dominicans and if they continue with this smear campaign it seems they’ll never be Dominicans. The children born in Japan of LEGAL residents are not Japanese. Look up if the children of illegal aliens IN HAITI are Haitians. Haiti and the DR share the same legal system. SOOOOO a certain set of rules can apply to them but not to the DR????? When the truth comes out we’ll see about your smear campaign!!!

  • GatoUltramarino

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/countries/americas/dominican-republic …..”The number of alleged unlawful killings by security forces increased in 2008. Haitians and Dominico-Haitians faced serious discrimination”…..

    • Julio A. Jorge

      BLAH BLAH BLAH. WHY CONTINUE TO COME IF IT’S SO AWFUL. KEEP BSing WITH YOUR SMEAR CAMPAIGN THEY’RE STILL GOING TO BE HATIANS!!!!

      • GatoUltramarino

        Yeah right! Try convincing Danny Glover & Beyonce, so they won’t support the celebrity-backed anti-Apartheid march/rally May 16th in Miami. Again, if I were a right wing, fascist, racist Dominican, with a hang up about anti-Haitianism, I would think seriously about this one. In today’s globalized world, money talks. I’ve seen boycott campaigns started before online, a few years back, bringing down prominent homophobic, xenophobic TV shows. Boycotts DO work, it takes just a small start, and with heavy backers like Glover, Beyonce, the pols in the States, I’d start sweating the load myself. Frankly, my initial position I confess was anti-boycott, but I’ve changed!!! If it takes a boycott, then let ‘er rip! I know some Dominican brothers and sisters could eventually be hurt, starting in the tourist sector, one of the most competitive sectors in the Caribbean. Medina’s initial platform called for expanding tourism, and I definitely supported that, and one of the PLD’s presidential pre-candidates is the tourism minister, a sharp dude by the way. But he’s going to start worrying on this one. Tourism is a cutthroat business in the Caribbean, only the destinations that offer the best, including compliance with Human Rights, will be seriously considered by conscious tourists. Do I need remind people here, the buying power of the African-American population? I have seen African-Americans travelling in groups in our Caribbean region, they are very conscious of their tastes. Once word gets out to them, say in Ebony magazine and BET NEWS in the States, THEN, people will start having second thoughts about ruling 168-13. Once Al Sharpton starts mentioning this as a hot button issue with David Gregory in Meet The Press, etc. on Sunday mornings, man, can you imagine? With the pull Al Sharpton has with the African-American community? In short, we’re headed towards very turbulent waters with 168-13. Once the cat is out of the bag with the boycott, the —t will hit the fan, it’s not going to be a pretty sight, and you can take that to the bank Julio!!!

  • GatoUltramarino

    http://www.humanrights.gov/2014/02/05/upr-18th-session-intervention-for-dominican-republic/ …….”We note our deep concern about the impact of the recent Constitutional Tribunal ruling and the published regularization plan on the citizenship status of persons in the Dominican Republic. We urge the government to consult with international partners and civil society to address these concerns.”…..”We are also concerned about reports that the Dominican Republic has not protected internationally recognized worker rights, particularly in the sugar sector. We note apparent and potential violations of labor laws governing working conditions, child labor, and forced labor, as well as shortcomings in the inspection process.”….

    • Julio A. Jorge

      BLAH BLAH BLAH

  • GatoUltramarino

    http://alainet.org/active/69699 – CARICOM could politically and economically isolate the Dominican Republic- …..”Miguel Ceara-Hatton is one of the most knowledgeable and respected economists in the Dominican Republic. His interview for a DR on-line publication underlines the significant impact that the CARICOM Bureau statement of 26 November on the DR Ruling 168-13 is making on public opinion in that country. Dr Ceara draws to the attention of DR readers the fact that the CARICOM bloc, with the votes of 14 independent states, is a force to be reckoned with in the OAS, CELAC, CARIFORUM, the ACS, the ACP and the Commonwealth. He emphasises that the issues of racism, human rights violations and retroactive application of laws raised by Ruling 168-13 are of great importance to CARICOM states. He points out that, in the light of the CARICOM position, the DR is facing the danger of ‘complete international discredit and isolation’ if it continues to implement the Ruling.”….

    • Julio A. Jorge

      Like you’ve said before BLAH BLAH BLAH……..8 MONTHS SINCE THE RULING AND THE HAITIAN LOVING SUCKERS CONTINUE TO BLAH BLAH BLAH……

      • GatoUltramarino

        Patience dear Julio patience my good friend-Rome was not built in one day. I advise you start watching Meet the Press and their ABC counterpart on Sundays, and Al Sharpton heh heh. Tell Medina to shelve his tourism expansion plans on “file 13″ heh heh. Just watch it when the “boys in the ‘hood” start taking notice Stateside, on BET NEWS, EBONY Magaine, Jet Magazine heh heh, and even on mainstream media, you start getting news about the concerted anti-Apartheid movement with its boycott against tourism/investments in D.R., and word gets around, and THEN “Soul brother no. 1 Obama” gets the word, and meets with prominent African-American leaders on this issue, and Michelle Obama gives her nod of approval to this boycott movement, THEN, yep, then my dear friend Julio, you and your ilk are going to have to eat your words, and gulp them down for good. Then our dear ole Mulatto friend Milton Ray Guevara (with my sincere apologies to my Dominican brothers and sisters), is going to look for some hole in the earth to crawl into, and curse the day that he and his friends at the “Johnnie come lately-2010-installed so-called constitutional tribunal installed by the ‘Archduke of the Caribbean’ ” came down with stupid ruling 168-13, yep, what good will all your anti-Haitianism do you and your ilk then, huh? Tell me? You people wanted to play stupid to the world, now you are FINALLY getting your chance!!! Marino Zapete was right all along that 168-13 was a “tollo” (a big f—-ng mess in street corner talk), and he and those decent Dominicans like Zapete, Bolivar Diaz, Huchi Lora, etc., etc., they will be vindicated, when this rootin’ tootin’ BOYCOTT, that’s right Julio, I’ll spell it out for you!!! >>>> B-O-Y-C-O-T-T<<<< of tourism/investments of D.R. starts, and begins slowly but surely to pick up steam, and more and more celebrities get on the bandwagon, more facebook pages, more twitter tweets heh heh, and the whole "kit and kaboodle" heh heh, then we'll see if you racist folks were right or not. By then as usual, it will be TOO LATE!!! As the irreparable damage will have been done to Dominican Republic, all for one stupid neocon Orwellian jurisprudence decision, by Milton Ray Guevara and his clowns at the KANGAROO COURT of the so-called constitutional tribunal, the greatest PIECE OF CRAP, concerning any halfway decent judicial instrumentality, anywhere in our beautiful Caribbean region.

        • Julio A. Jorge

          UUUUUYYYYYYYY we are all REEAAAALLY scared right now. Just like the Florida trade mission aborted by the Haitians from Little Haiti in MIami????? UUUUUYYYYYY I think if that was the first shot fired I think it bit you back on your rear end. Then again you’d probably enjoyed it!!!!

          • GatoUltramarino

            Go tell that to Miami’s mayor, a Cuban-American from the Republican Party, Al Sharpton, Danny Glover, Beyonce, Rev. Jesse Jackson & other politicians and two U.S. congresspersons-You live in the “Disney World” of D.R., up in a cloud like Vincho and everybody else, where there no extra-judicial killings by national police of protesters that protest almost daily, like the ones going on in Salcedo and Montecristi about right now. Not a single passes in D.R., that a single protest, some violent, doesn’t take place, all for community residents’ legitimate grievances like electricity, water, roads, services, etc., you obviously live in the “Disney World D.R.”, just like with 16-13. Again, I love debating ignoramuses like you, who maybe, just maybe went to a university somewhere, but never were able to have one lick of sense, or just plain ole’ common sense. Keep running around in circles with your “tollo” of sentencia 168-13, the biggest bunch of jurisprudence B.S. ever handed down anywhere in our entire Caribbean region-Of course it had to take a Mulatto judge like Milton Ray Guevara, another of Fernandez’s institutional lapdogs. For trying to “play cute”, eventually he will have to curse the day he ever came down with that upside down decision. Hold your breath ’till May 16th at 11 am-the handwriting is on the wall. Payoffs are a “mutha”, BOYCOTT TIME FOR DOMINICAN REPUBLIC!!!!! HAH HAH HAH. (again, I must excuse myself from this forum, I’ll be too doggone busy from now, with this public formal convocation of tourism/investment call for a boycott of D.R.) heh heh.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Like I said before US congresman Charles Rangel gave public declarations at various times of support for the ruling and he’s a part of the black caucus. In Santiago there are daily protest against your PRD disastrous mayor and you don’t see anyone trying to spread lies or half truths that he city is in ruins or up in flames. Get real and get down from the Disney World of the Haitian loving ignorants in the DR.

            By any chance were you the organizer of the LGBT conference in Santiago???
            HAH HAH HAH HAH

            BUEN MMG

          • GatoUltramarino

            Tell me my dear friend Julio (how’s your abdominal circumference’s voluminous appearance look like lately by the way?)-Anyway, how does it feel to support a government, who scrambles like mad at the mere sound of the “B” word in the mainland? (that’s “boycott” against tourism/investments against D.R. for the unenlightened); in conjunction with a march/rally? Granted that perhaps the action was not as large as some of us supporters would’ve liked, though they did have some prominent political figures from South Florida as speakers. My inside connections tell me, that has been mostly a “warm up” for future actions, though I’m told back in January they had another well attended action. IMHO, should this “fast track” bill that Medina and his minions are pushing through like mad, to get it signed as soon as possible, let’s just say, this new pet project of the PLD doesn’t redress the egregious de-nationalization issue, caused by the xenophobic, Apartheid-like Ruling 168-13, handed down by the so-called constitutional tribunal of D.R. (a Johnnie-come-lately court instituted the other day in 2010, one of the biggest judicial laughing stocks in our region, and propped up by Leonel Fernandez, to make it look like the one in the “Madre Patria”, in other words, a bad copy cat court of Spain’s Tribunal Constitucional); anyway, should this panic driven “fast track” bill not take care of this “tollo” (a f—-ng mess in plain street corner Dominican lingo!), then the “B” words stay alive and well in the Mainland, and we’ll continue to see more, and more actions, until the over 200,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent, are vindicated with their duly entitled Dominican citizenship.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Tell me how’s your anal probing going??? Any LGBT activities lately??? You should try to approach the US Embassy now. I’m sure they’ve got work for a progressive NGO grant writer like you.

            JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA. Since only the Haitians showed up NOW it was a warm up activity??? What happened to rest of your stars and political figures??? Wake up and smell the coffee. This issue is only valid among Haitians and mercenaries like you who live off the human drama that is Haiti.
            If you had watched the conference attended by Jean Boline Diaz (which was attended by as many people as your all out march!!) you’d have seen that he stated what the Haitian bill looked like. He even stated that the Haitians without ANY paperwork would be made Dominicans. This would’ve been an explosive keg that the government quickly moved to neutralize. So my dear alternative living fag it was Mr. Boline Diaz who forced the hand of the government and not your so mentioned “boycott” by a couple of Haitians who were not EVEN successful when the Florida trade mission came to the DR back in NOVEMBER.
            What you’re saying about the rest of the Haitians is exactly what we knew would happen since you need to continue to make a living thru the grants that you receive from the “progressive NGO’s”. By selling your conscience for a couple of US$ or € grants, you are the worst kind of slime that there is in the world compounded by the fact that you love to get anal probing by the well equipped Haitians that are sponsoring you. Or do you trade sex for writing amongst yourselves???? That would make you a prostitute!!!!!

          • GatoUltramarino

            If you’re able to still have some downward vision which is not obstructied by your fat ass belly, see if you can see this magnificent view of “Abrazos Solidarios” event at the UASD, which I streamed live to Occupy Toronto on December 5th >>> https://www.facebook.com/esonosehacerd/photos/a.621416177897189.1073741828.620891531282987/744324445606361/?type=1&theater

          • Julio A. Jorge

            If I would be able to see under my fat ass belly I would see an auditorium with no more than a 1,000 persons in a city of 2,000,000 persons. How does that compare to your star and major politicians sponsored Haitian march????? Remember your magnificent event did not represent 1% of the population of the city and if you’d be honest at all you’d recognize that more than 66% of the population supported judgement 068/13 from the TC

          • GatoUltramarino

            Ruling 168-13 was handed down by a “Johnnie come lately” so-called constitutional tribunal (installed in 2010), apparently modelled after the one in Spain, and it was obviously another pet project of Leonel Fernandez to kidnap, what little was left of so-called “democracy” in D.R., another sham as Jose Bono, a Socialist from the PSOE in Spain who visited D.R. a while ago, and was quoted as saying that if if one single party controls all branches of government, “it is a sham of democracy”. I would go a bit further, the corporate-neoliberal PLD spits on the tombs of Juan Bosch and others, as an institutionalized mafia organization, composed by such “come solo” characters as Felix Bautista, known to use to go to Vegas on weekends to blow the money he’s made from his construction business, propped up during LF’s reign, and we all know Bautista is LF’s favorite “testaferro”. That’s the sort of festering puss, that underlies the entire institutionalized structure of the PLD, which now controls the D.R. govt., a “government”, if you can call it that, which is the pariah of our Caribbean region.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            If you’re not Dominican what the hell are you doing in the DR??? If the whole country is a piece of crap why not go somewhere else???? Or is it that here is the only place where you can safely get a new one on you faggetty ass for a couple of bucks??? You should not abuse the hospitality of the country that’s allowing all your pervert acts to take place. Just wait until your big muscular Haitian lover goes to the JCE to get his papers “validated”.

          • GatoUltramarino

            BTW-You’re functional illiteracy of English sticks out like a sore thumb- ” JA JA JA” is the Spanish Spelling, try “HAH HAH HAH”for a change, you half-witted biggot!

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Well since i’m not a “progressive NGO grant writer” I’m sure I’d be able to make mistakes. You on the other hand are a paid writer who has to submit your work to what your bosses tell you, to write about. This is nothing else than an excersise to bring into legality what should be an open and

          • GatoUltramarino

            Man, I sure wish I were a “paid writer who has to submit your work to what your bosses tell, to write about.”-

          • Julio A. Jorge

            That’s what you stated on twitter and being an European I don’t see why you should meddle in something that doesn’t concern you unless your pocketbook is threatened.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Well since I’m not a “progressive NGO grant writer” I’m pretty sure I’m allowed to make mistakes. You on the other hand are a paid writer who has to submit your conscience to what your bosses tell you, and write about what their agenda might be. Or exchange your work for the new one the well equipped Haitian will tear on your faggetty ass. Buen MMG

          • GatoUltramarino

            Again, I wish I were a “paid writer who has to submit your conscience”, etc., If I “were”, I sure wouldn’t be entertaining myself here, during spare time which could be better employed. BTW, the so-called “fast track” bill looks like another “tollo” of this govt. Word is now, it’ll still take 1-2 years for a complete audit (if that is possible), for the JCE to audit its registry of the over 200,000 affected by the upside down world ruling 168-13. In the meantime, protest movements in the Mainland are beginning to slowly but surely gain momentum, calling for tourism/investments boycott in D.R., and you’re not going to see a D.R. president for now invited to the White House either, like Martelly was recently. It doesn’t take much brains to figure out which Caribbean government, is representing a pariah state in our region.

          • marinagp

            Julio A. Jorge: your fascism is abhorrent, your vulgarity and ignorance is abominable. Where does your hate come from? Perhaps self-hate?

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Perhaps you should read the entire content of the conversation before you jump to judge people. This whole idea of fascism is the result of the campaign devised by people like this “progressive ngo grant writer”. Please let me know where on the face of this world is upholding the law a trait of fascism?

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    - Miguel Ceara-Hatton is one of the Dominican Republic’s most prominent economists. He is author of numerous books and articles on the Dominican Republic and Caribbean economies; former President of the Association of Caribbean Economists and former Director in the Secretariat of the Association of Caribbean States. He was also director of the Dominican Republic’s National Human Development Report with the UNDP.- ……..
    * Spanish original at http://www.7dias.com.do/destacada/2013/11/29/i152996_caricom-podria-aislar-politica-economicamente-dominicana.html#.UpjzCD9GaXM. Translation courtesy of Shabaka Kambon and Alejandra Mendez.

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    • Julio A. Jorge

      He continues to work for NGO’s which have their own vested interest!!!!!!

      • GatoUltramarino

        Learn a new script.

        • Julio A. Jorge

          Same to ya!!!!!

      • GatoUltramarino

        Vincho Castillo trained you good man!

        • Julio A. Jorge

          He may have train me but you needed no training. “Progressive NGO grant writer”. I asked you on twitter if that’s the same as a mercenary.

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    http://aecrc.org/wp/on-denationalization-in-the-dominican-republic-dr/ ….”

    On Denationalization in the Dominican Republic (DR)”….

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    http://www.aflcio.org/content/download/121461/3386231/March2014_DominicanRepublicReport_nb.pdf …..”Discrimination and Denationalization in the Dominican Republic”…..

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    http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/5/8/51405/Port-au-Prince-doesnt-meddle-because-Haitian-offspring-are-Dominicans- ……..Port-au-Prince doesn’t meddle ‘because Haitian offspring are Dominicans’

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    Arielius Fornarius‏@ArielFornari
    Edwidge Danticat: The Price of Sugar | Creative Time Reports http://creativetimereports.org/2014/05/05/edwidge-danticat-the-price-of-sugar/#comment-1378854825 … #DominicanRepublic #xenophobia #HumanRights #Apartheid

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    https://www.facebook.com/events/318612128288372/?source=1 …..March and Rally Against Apartheid in the Dominican Republic-Friday, May 16 at 11:00am Next Week Torch of Friendship @ Biscayne Blvd NE 4th Street-……On September 2013, The Dominican Republic’s Constitutional Court ruled that Dominicans of Haitian ancestry, even those born in the Dominican Republic, would have their citizenship rescinded and face deportation to Haiti. This racist legislation has been accompanied by violent attacks that have resulted in the deaths of over 50 Haitians.

    We must all stand and put an end to this barbaric apartheid-like ruling of the Dominican Constitutional Court. All the major international organizations, including the Caribbean Community and Common Market (CARICOM), the United Nations Commission on Human Rights have condemned the ruling as a violation of the Dominican Republic International Human Rights under the 2005 judgment made by the Inter-American Convention on Human Rights.
    WE CALL FOR A
    BOYCOTT OF
    BOTH INVESTMENT AND TOURISM
    IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

    Let your voice be heard call the Dominican Republic Consul General of Miami at 305-358-3220 and the Dominican Republic Ambassador in Washington D.C. at 202-332-6280

    Sponsored by: Haitian League for Human Rights, INC
    Endorsed by: Veye-Yo,FANM, One Miami, FLIC, NAACP,AFSCME,Grassroot Coalition SOS For Haitians, Inc., Our Walmart, SEIU, Organize Now-West Palm Beach Coalition, HAPAC, FNM, Progressive Jewish Action
    For more information, please call 786-523-9764 305-335-0433 954-599-3047, or email us at hl4hr2013@gmail.com…….

    • Julio A. Jorge

      “Sponsored by:HAITIAN LEAGUE OF HUMAN RIGHTS, INC.”!!!!!! Just like I said before; they’re Haitians, will continue to be Haitians and you’re still a goddamned fag. Buen MMG.

      • GatoUltramarino

        So what? That TELLS YOU SOMETHING! That TELLS you the Haitian diaspora has the ear now of prominent social sectors in the USA, that’s right! Otherwise, would you have Danny Glover, Beyonce, Al Sharpton, etc., etc., politicians jumping in the bandwagon? You can insult me all you like, but now it’s getting to the nitty gritty-If you yourself lived in the States (you kinda sound like it), you know very well the buying power of the African-American community. Once word gets out to them about ruling 168-13, and this new anti-Apartheid movements begins to snowball (I personally have no doubt it will snowball into something big eventually, sympathizer bias notwithstanding!!!); THEN, and only then, will you begin to feel the results, WHERE? Where it hurts in the POCKETBOOK! That’s right, just exactly like it happened with South Africa with the boycott against Apartheid until its final dismantling. And just like I myself have seen boycott movements start small online on facebook (facebook mind you, not on the ground as this serious movement is starting with all the heavy guns backing it up, though they’ve posted their facebook events page!!), and similar to the #BDS movement against Israel online, (boycott, divestments and sanctions), THEN and only then are you going to see people start having SECOND THOUGHTS! Do you HONESTLY think the D.R. in the dire straits it is right now economically and socially, it could withstand a concerted international boycott effort led by the African-American community, with considerable backing from U. S. celebrities and politicians, public figures, etc. , can D.R. withstand such onslaught? Is D.R. more powerful than South Africa, which had strategic minerals, diamonds, fuel, etc., and the most powerful economy in Africa during Apartheid, were they able to withstand the onslaught of boycott plus other historical factors like their military defeat at Cuito Cuanavale in Angola, by Cuba and the FNLA in the late 1980s, which was the last nail in the coffin of Apartheid in South Africa? In any event, I’m not really worrying anymore what the final outcome of ruling 168-13 is going to be, as the handwriting is on the wall already. What DOES worry me, is the economical and social consequences to D.R., the lost jobs, especially the high unemployment with over 700,000 youths that neither work nor study in D.R., the derailment of Medina’s plans to expand tourism, the cutthroat competition from other Caribbean destinations that will begin to get more African-Americans, as they head away from D.R., not to mention the large portion of progressive Europeans, North Americans, etc., etc., that will take notice as this anti-Apartheid movement begins small and snowballs into MSM in the States. In short, the handwriting is on the wall, so I ain’t worried about it no more.

        • Julio A. Jorge

          Only tiny bit of a problem with your statement is the fact that in South Africa all the persons were CITIZENS of the same country with a different set of rights depending on your skin color. The subject in this ruling is whether persons that tried to beat the system and then got caught can be allowed to legally profit from their own illegal acts. Juliana Deguis was declared with a “ficha”. That is not a valid government issued ID. Her case is not about whether her parents were illegally or not in the country but the fact that her declaration is not valid because LEGALLY there is no certainty she is the person they claim she might be. The law requires a valid government issued ID in order to enter a child into the Civil Registry. It doesn’t say it requires a Dominican issued ID but a government issued ID (i.e. passport). In legal terms there is no certainty that the child being declared is who they say it is and could even be used for the trafficking of children. SOOOOOO all we’re talking about are the legal implications which do not want to be addressed by your camp which is only interested in trying to create public opinion based on lies or half truths. And if you looked at the declarations of Mr. Reginald Delva, which is the Interior Minister in Mr. Martelly’s government, you’d see that his arguments about the Haitians born in the Bahamas, are exactly the same as the ones being spread here in the DR by the likes of Juliana Deguis, your stalwarts of journalism, your illustrious economist, the movement Reconocido and Dominicano x Derecho. SOOOOOO if this smear campign is not being organized and financed by the NGO’s I said before I don’t know what is.

          • GatoUltramarino

            Julio-Until something hits you in the pocketbook, obviously it will hardly have the effect to change your mind. The spurious and hollow arguments you raise here, were raised from day one when the Apartheid-like ruling 168-13 came down. You’re absolutely right when you mention that it’s been 8 months since the ruling came down and nothing has happened. You seem to be an intelligent person, and you appear to have lived some time in the States. One thing that has stuck with me through life from that same experience is, that I’ve learned some things from my Yankee counterparts, and that is to be pragmatic. As of Friday May 16th, you are going to see a “before” and “after” turning point. I’m not a prophet, so I can’t prophesy exactly when the government of Dominican Republic, is going to begin feeling the heat of this impending boycott of tourism/investments. The drift I’m getting thus far is, that if the mayor of Miami who is a Cuban-American, and a member of the Republican Party is attending this rally and thusly lending his support to the boycott, then it’s a no-brainer that this cause has taken a turn now, and it is garnering support from the wider spectrum of American society. The celebrities, public figures, politicians, labor and social organizations will have a footprint in public opinion in the U.S. Everybody knows from day one, the African-American community has supported the cause of de-nationalized Dominicans. We all know the Congressional Black Caucus’ letter to President Medina regarding this issue, and I don’t need to remind everybody here, of Vice-President Biden’s hop, skip and a jump over .D.R a while back, on his way to Washington from Argentina, wherein he was “supposed” to visit Medina at the national palace, but courteously passed. Last but not least, Martelly also met in person with Obama at the White House, these are are all “telling” signs. You do seem to be an intelligent person as I say, as you cite some facts, etc., etc., notwithstanding your immature gratuitous personal insults. Again, I welcome this debate while at the same time I take absolutely no joy, in reasonably predicting that as of May 16th, this issue will take a turn for the worse. If and when a formal public boycott of tourism/investment in Dominican Republic does take off, and from the drift I get, people like Danny Glover are not going to be there just to blow some hot air, as I’ve seen him for instance when he vocally supported Occupy Wall Street back in 2011, and in other social causes as well; then and only then is the current government of Dominican Republic, is going to start getting down to the nitty gritty, and start shuffling around to see how this issue can be resolved. D.R. doesn’t even have anywhere near the economic clout South Africa had prior to that boycott, and we know the outcome of Apartheid. Myself, as I said, originally I was somewhat reluctant to support a boycott, but since then, and especially with this event coming up in Miami on the 16th, I am supporting 100% not just the march but the boycott as well. If you don’t like it, then don’t lump it. If I’m not here debating as often as I’d like to be, it’s quite simple, I’ll be too damn busy online, and with other tasks, coordinating supporting this righteous cause……..

          • Julio A. Jorge

            First of all you have to realize that the person who started with the immature gratuitous personal insults was YOU. Read back all of your comments posted here for the whole world to see and try not to pretend to be a victim here.

            Second of all we’ll see what your boycott looks like because if it’s like the boycott of the Florida trade mission, or the protests against Charles Rangel, I’d venture to say that you’re destined to fail again.

            By the way Mr. Rangel is a member of the black caucus and less than a month ago gave public and clear declarations of support to the ruling of what you so vehemently call “kangaroo court”.

          • GatoUltramarino

            Compare the innocuous sounding “dumb” word, with your homophobic, hate speech-You got a mental problem bud.

          • Julio A. Jorge

            Hate speech is stating facts??? I may have mental problems but at least I’m honest. “Progressive NGO’s grant writer” Now we understand your passion ($$$$) regarding this issue.

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    • Julio A. Jorge

      Will that take place in little Haiti??? I’d suggest leaving your wallet at home!!!

      • GatoUltramarino

        See my post below Julio.

      • GatoUltramarino

        You got a mental problem.

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